Monday, November 27, 2006

The quest for information...

The Ranter
The Views of The Ranter

It is 3;21 in the Am and I have been sitting here surfing the web trying to keep my mind occupied. I had a bad health night, sometimes it hits, tried to sleep and it only turned for the worse. Therefore, with Bengay on both knees, no idea in the world why I awoke with both knees kicking my butt never happened before, a dose of pain medication in my system and a cup of coffee in my hand might as well stay up and begin commiserating about health with my friends on the net a bit. There is a plus to this choice, one of you is not called at this hour asking what to do, I complain and rant, you read my true private thoughts on something unrelated to war and politics and we all feel better tomorrow. Hopefully.

I confess that I just may be a bit spoiled after all of these years. I have often mentioned a friend that is the closest person anyone can ever be in my life. She is my best friend and for seventeen years, we have shared a friendship of purest of love and the strongest of trust. She is the one constant in my life as I am in hers, whatever the problem, we have shared them, through the passing of loved ones, family members, severe health problems, surgeries, personal problem, we are the fist to call the other and we always work it out together. We have managed to get one another over many a personal, emotional and health issue and as she mentioned the other day, we got is down pat. Yes, we do. Friendship as ours is a precious commodity and when found cannot ever be lost.

At 3:30 I the morning I am not going to awaken her, not that she would say a word about it, I have been on that end as well, it never stopped us before.

Therefore, I ask myself, why two knees at the same time would suddenly awaken a person with pain. Surf the web of knowledge and maybe an answer in some hidden, rarely quoted medical text, site or someone boasting of a cure. That turns out to be nowhere near the truth, so I redirect and retype the questions. I will share the inputs and results with you with the thought, on the off chance; we may actually all learn something.

Starting with the famed, overused, often over rated, but always there, Google, I enter forms of the question: such as, “what causes sudden, severe knee pain”, or “sudden knee pain”, or “severe knee pain.” Rules of thumb, if not presented with the proper links corresponding to your search criteria, make sure to redirect with different forms of the words.

Google, Arthritis, Simple causes, this one looks promising, a medial encyclopedia titled, MedlinePlus, with baited breath and the desire to learn festering in my sleepy brain I pursue ever on with glee and hope. This is the opening,

what causes sudden, severe knee pain”:

I am presented with everything from Arthritis, Bursitis, Tendinitis, Baker's cyst to the less common, Bone tumors and Osgood-Schlatter disease.

In addition, the recommended treatments are all non-specific and generic enough to avoid any litigation for providing wrong diagnoses or improper treatment.

That was quite interesting and at close to 4:30 AM accompanied with my second coffee even keeps my attention. It serves no purpose for my present question, as I have no idea what it could be, as I have never had a problem before.

My eyes see the link, http://www.webmd.com/, jackpot, WebMD, the Holy Grail of medical knowledge for the common person who never spent a quarter of a million dollars on a medical education.

Reading the symptoms is promising,

Pain, soreness, or tenderness, Stiffness or locking, Swelling or bruising, Snapping, popping, or grinding, then it strikes me, nothing even remotely related to my initial question, I finish up going through the treatments, which once again appears to by attorney speak for, these are generic, we don’t know, can’t tell, not libel, call your physician cheapskate.

Changing the wording to, sudden, severe pain in both knees , The quest continues through Dogpile, a combination of all the better search engines, which does manage to display a few the others, did not, or I was too tired and preoccupied to see. Gout, now there is one I did not think of, but I cannot detect swelling, I read it anyway, interesting actually.

Continuing my journey of knee pain discovery I go through Yahoo, , Ask, The outgrew Jeeves and I think the Butler was cooler on the site. AlltheWeb, AltaVista, as well as MSM.com Live Search and a multitude of medical search engines I discover along the way, all the same, a few extra here and a few less there, some bells and whistles and a few down and dirty get the information out. Algorithms may change, but a search is a search, it depends how one wants to read the information displayed to them.

Sitting back, I find myself frustrated, full of questions and sleepy. The knees are not as they were when they awoke me either, calmed down a bit, Bengay or the pain medication, one of them seems to be helping.

What have I learned from this experience? Thinking hard I decided, I learned absolutely nothing. The sites have legal fears and purposefully do not stray near nor cross that legal doublespeak. However, I did learn that putting Bengay on the affected area, taking pain medication, drinking coffee, (not quite sure on that one, but I enjoyed the coffee) and keeping your mind occupied for an hour or so takes the issues and pain out of the thoughts and even feels a bit better. I also learned that writing about the whole thing was nice, shared something with friends and not one is ticked for me waking them up early.

With that statement, I think I will reset my alarm for 7:00 AM and go back to bed.

7 comments:

Wild Bill said...

Buddy, there is a condition known as Henoch-Schoenlein Perpura, that causes those same symptoms, and has bad side effects to it..

It usually starts between the age of 6-10 years old, and lasts for about 6 weeks, and then recurrs at about 10 to 15 year intervals after that..

This condition was left unnamed and mostly untreated for many years and was until the 1980's still a mystery to most doctors..

It also affects the kidneys, so it shouldnt be taken lightly..

Do you remember anythang that in your childhood may have been like this ?? The first time you have this, you also have a rash with it that can sometimes be mistaken for Chicken Pox, that is not present in later years..

I know that aint much info, but at least its a startin place that may lead to other causes and info..

The last that I saw, there wasnt any prescribed remedy for this, but some relief could be had from hot salts baths..

Just be sure to watch for a dark urine or blood in urine !!

Anonymous said...

As a nurse I also look at the psychogenic diag-no-sees.

As our civilization is being brought to it's collective "knees"

I know....Calm Down Mamabear....

It's a thought.

Gettin old ain't for sissies is it.

The Old Ranter said...

Wow Bill, I tend to bleed under my forearms at time, like now, that the Dr.'s have always been baffled by it and relate it to steriods when I am on them for my lungs and eyes.

My forearms will look like someone cut me and it only bleed under the skin. Hmm.

I am on heavy steroids right now. Well, coming off actually. I am going to talk to my Dr. about this one. It is better today, but bud, if not for the pain meds I had in the house from the hospital and the bengay I would have been up a tree. Thanks
Ranter

The Old Ranter said...

Mamabear, you go girl! Rant on woman! I will give you a post once in awhile if you want to spout off. Send it to my email you and E have.
Ranter

Papa Ray said...

Steriods...!!! GET AWAY SATAN!!!

Several years ago, a quack VA doctor put me on that devils medicine for my knees. Even after I had told him they were just wore out and had many meniscal tears and that the menisca was mostly gone.

I suffered so many side effects (plus not doing a damn thing for my knees) that I stopped taking them and requested a differet doctor at the VA.

My knee pain is constant, never ending and broken only by a bout of even more severe pain.

Makes me appriciate the just "normal daily pain".

I tried pain killers (I was still working at the time) but I just couldn't work and take drugs, my job required me to do some fast, sharp, really logical thinking (see bio).

So, I determined that by following some guy in china's advice, that I could just tell my brain to ignore the pain.

I didn't even think it would work, but damn it did. Not all at once mind you, but over about two years, I just stopped noticing it most of the time.

None of the above of course, helps you determine what happened to your knees.

During my investigation of my own problems, I found out that people with health problems generally don't get exercise and generally get heavier and generally have more problems with thier legs, feet and knees.

I thus embarked on an effort to lose weight, which I did with diet alone as my job entailed some exercise (climbing stairs) walking and kneeling and such.

But the real kicker was when I had to take early retirement. I began immediately to gain weight and get no exercise, which the results should be apparent to even a dummy like me. My knees went to crap, my feet hurt, I got gout and my circulation to my extremities went to hell.

Which I knew, when another VA doctor told me was the problem (along with the fact that I had almost no meniscal left in my knees).

So, what did I do? I decided the best course of treatment was to get drunk and stay drunk for as long as possible (depression brought on by being forced to stop working).

It took a long time for me to get back on track. Actually what brought me back to the living was the birth of my Sweet Sarah, the light of my life and my reason for living.

Now that I have cluttered up your comments section.

I will go pry Sarah away from her new girlfriend (from across the street) send her home and get Sarah ready for bed.

They have completely destroyed the living room.

Hope your knees (and the rest of you) get better or that you are able to just lock the pain away.

Get OFF those Steroids!!!!!

Papa Ray

Wild Bill said...

I dont like them steroids either, Papa Ray !! They made my Daddy meaner than a Junkyard Dawg.. He was on then thangs when he shot me..

The Old Ranter said...

Papa Ray,
First, my honest and heartfelt love and best to Sarah. She is your joy my brother and I envy you. As you know, I assist with a nephew and it too is a blessing. Love kids.

I have been on and off these darn steroids for a year now. Many side effect, no immune system for one, three cases of pneumonia last year and that was WITH the vaccine. Of course, I have COPD, so that did not help.

The steroids are for the lungs. I am on and off. This time they did it right though. The specialists in the hospital put me on 40mg three days, 30mg three days, 20mg three days and off. slowly reducing to avoid affects.

However, I also use steroid eye drops so the two may not work well. That is another thing. i will be writing about this in a day or so.

I have to undergo advanced glaucoma surgery Dec 14, 50/50 will work or lose sight. I am a betting man, so hope for the best. They are hoping they are in time. My optic nerve is so far gone they are not sure it will work, too much pressure in the eye, even after laser surgery.

I will be out of touch for about a week, no sight, so I will let all know before hand. Then hopefully the good news that it worked.

So, on steriods for that too. Hell, no wonder I have having knee and now lower back pain.